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Learn how to Use Notion for Group and Productiveness With Sandra Halling

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Katie: Howdy, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of private care merchandise. Make sure you test them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I exploit to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is an especially priceless software. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I could possibly be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on cellphone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be countless methods of utilizing it. I’m on no account an knowledgeable. So I’m right here with the programs knowledgeable, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system specialists, who loves the technological aspect. She’s been doing totally different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic considering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and tips on how to use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and he or she guides her shoppers by means of creating private {and professional} tasks inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this right this moment. And it is rather a lot a visible factor. So we speak by means of as a lot as we are able to simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, that can take you to her website and to some extra visuals on tips on how to really implement this in addition to she is perhaps prepared to do a mixed course for mothers and households of tips on how to use this particularly for these associated matters. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful software however I’m on no account an knowledgeable at utilizing it and I wished to usher in Sandra right this moment to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and be taught from you right this moment. One of many matters that’s at all times arising after I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been in all probability not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler is named Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I exploit it. And I additionally really feel like that is a tremendous software that’s not tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I believe it may be completely unbelievable. So, to begin with, I do know that you’re an knowledgeable on this, which is why I used to be so completely happy to talk with you right this moment however stroll us by means of on a really broad stage what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is sort of like a database. However I say that phrase, and typically individuals run for the hills. So simply know that, whenever you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code utility, which suggests it’s very straightforward to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do all the pieces underneath the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many lovely issues about Notion is that you could cross-reference and sync knowledge from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that signifies that it’s very versatile with regards to designing your individual private dashboard that is sensible to you and the best way you wish to run your loved ones, run your life, run your enterprise, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I exploit it for enterprise and likewise for sort of family administration and simply conserving observe of all the pieces I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term purpose monitoring. I observe one thing known as OKRs or goals and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I preserve all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a extremely good level, which is that there’s a studying curve with regards to Notion. And I believe anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive stage group, it could possibly appear overwhelming at first. Actually after I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be a bit of bit caught so far as tips on how to create programs in it. And I ended up having to sort of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine tips on how to handle after which work from there versus simply making an attempt to begin creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they sort of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s place to begin simply to begin to be taught or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I might throw on the market for a brand new consumer is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe bins that you’ve got round with numerous tidbits of data, all the pieces from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, a minimum of that’s what I do, , uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you’ve got items of data that you simply don’t wanna lose observe of and begin fascinated with these as elements of your life that you may deliver collectively in a coherent complete. So for those who might have form of a one-stop store for simply getting the heart beat of issues, what would that appear to be in a great world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a extremely good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I believe it’s price taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is best whenever you begin utilizing it as quickly as potential, versus making an attempt to construct the right system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see individuals do rather a lot is, like, bounce in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable for those who like taking part in round in these types of issues after which neglect that it’s meant to truly make your life simpler and never form of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that completely happy medium between placing some thought into what you need it to appear to be, what function you need it to serve, what data do you would like you may arrange higher or had higher observe of? So my company shoppers are normally level to love their Google Drive is a multitude or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private shoppers give it some thought extra for, like, , monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or perhaps well being programs, or simply various things on the non-public aspect, even hobbies. It’s an amazing place to trace data on hobbies. So, it’s sort of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which fascinated with how you’d wanna deliver it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I really like that you simply talked about the OKRs as a result of I observe these as nicely. I believe it’s an amazing place to have the ability to do that top stage planning in addition to the low stage everyday job planning. I believe that’s one thing to consider is also, like, after I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve executed is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a each day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have form of matter perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s sort of wanting on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, make it possible for for those who fall down the plethora of data on YouTube, about Notion is that you simply go to Notion’s official channel and take a look at the movies. And I at all times recommend that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, after they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, utility and templates. And there’s a number of data and examples out on YouTube about alternative ways of approaching it and, like, totally different templates. However typically what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you simply use to configure your system?

Katie: Bought it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo a bit of bit of those sort of perhaps get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which can be largely universally relevant to individuals listening. So, issues like all of us must eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, , instruments like Actual Plans that I exploit to do that however I additionally preserve my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I absolutely agree. So, stroll us by means of sort of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I assume not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, when it comes to, like, meals and meal plans, specifically, one of many issues that I like to recommend to individuals usually is to consider their teams of data, form of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve totally different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the prime after which have the directions and any form of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a very separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Truly, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was taking part in round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m sort of tremendous excited to speak about it right this moment. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my each day journal or my form of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this each day homepage that I am going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. But it surely has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I consuming my water? Am I exercising? That great things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can really inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice totally different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t neglect. , it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining tips on how to arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a fairly image of the recipe to entice me, to begin dinner prep after I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night a bit of smoother?”

In order that’s sort of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the totally different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even sort of zoom out or go to an much more larger stage, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that whenever you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a method that makes issues simpler? Tables will be fairly particular in it’s function. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it offers you a bit of extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, , Notion, it’s arduous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you may communicate to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to every other dwelling upkeep or, , effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing dwelling life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I exploit this in so many alternative methods as nicely. And like I stated, I don’t even assume I exploit it almost as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a each day homepage. And I really like this concept sort of like a management heart for all the pieces you’d put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by means of sort of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you simply carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to all the pieces else you observe?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I really like that you simply requested that as a result of my each day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, day by day. And in reality, it’s so crucial to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being in line with my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do test ins at numerous level in the course of the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to only form of, like, actually test in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I wish to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from form of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s probably not what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in time out the sort of, we get into automated pilot, a greater method of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a big method of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I would like a few hours to go. So, my each day web page is the place I’ve my test ins situated and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset record of questions which can be in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, , on December 14th, I used to be speaking about steadiness. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my each day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for form of, like, the each day habits. And in that desk, I observe a complete slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take drugs, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you may go down the laundry record of the issues that you simply preserve observe of for your self.

And, , that is multi function desk however I show it in numerous sections. So, I don’t must assume by means of it on a regular basis. I get by means of what I’m a given second. And so, this each day web page, it really has, like, I believe 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning after I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply making an attempt to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a piece of it that’s like noon test in and a piece of it that’s extra in direction of the top of the day. And in every of those areas, I exploit my behavior tracker and I show totally different fields. So totally different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I bear in mind to take…? , did I bear in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That sort of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve persistent sinus points so I observe all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, , this has really been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply offers me all this wealthy details about what’s occurring in my world from a everyday foundation. In order that’s sort of how I bounce off from the each day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all these items that I would like so as to add to mine. So, speak a bit of bit extra about templates as a result of I believe this is without doubt one of the big strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different individuals have created. I haven’t gotten superb at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my record as a result of loads of the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a each day to do record or weekly planning for my staff, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by means of some great benefits of templates and tips on how to sort of work out tips on how to use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few alternative ways and form of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive stage model of a template is, like, , you may construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to appear to be, after which you may really share that complete setup with different individuals. And so, whenever you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s really a method to share it on the net. And whenever you first go into Notion, you may, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So after I work with shoppers privately, that’s usually what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, they usually’re rocking and rolling, they usually’ve bought the technical abilities down, which solely takes, , an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s a bit of little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, , do that day in and time out. And that’s one method to form of streamline issues is to seek out an individual that you simply like Notion already, , both by way of YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template that you could switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed nicely will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to take a seat there and sort of figuring all of the format. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle your enterprise or your life. And in order that’s each factor and a nasty factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion signifies that you need to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be an important? After which, nevertheless it signifies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was the easiest way to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive stage. However there’s additionally templates inside the system which can be like for any given database, you may have a template that might prefill data. So, like, finest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template specifically for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, after I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to ensure I ask. And so, after I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other method can be perhaps, like, you’re working a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you simply observe for the podcast, in all probability on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these form of checklists, if you’ll, could possibly be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, , content material calendar on your month or your quarter might open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to begin your circulate of data. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually advanced with nested tables and ask associated data. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the consumer really wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you may use it to handle a staff or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third sort of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a very totally different sort of function in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you’ll put something into it that you simply wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it offers the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t do this. And you may sort of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you simply do on a repeated foundation, however perhaps aren’t so advanced, that it’s price placing them in their very own desk, then you may, , use these template buttons simply to form of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I stated, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that perhaps you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m considering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life actually. Does this…? Can notion combine instantly with different programs that individuals is perhaps utilizing? As an illustration, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine instantly with any of these items or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the flexibility to embed loads of apps. So what which means is Notion is principally entry by means of the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see an inventory of choices. And as you begin typing, it sort of narrows right down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you may, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or a number of different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is principally the decision that functions use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent yr. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the top of subsequent yr, we’re gonna even have true integration with different functions. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, each time I’ve had that, like, after I used to do it or a few of these different apps which can be on the market to assist meet my life, I at all times discovered myself including extra to it than I might actually fairly course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of just about, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m sort of grateful that Notion has been the standalone function as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping all the pieces in there after which probably not with the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you simply wanna be capable to do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other sort of unrelated factor that I exploit it for that I in all probability might work out tips on how to templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those who is perhaps a brand new one, even for you as I exploit it to do one thing known as the Feynman method. And I preserve what would principally be like a journal, however the place I form of put all of my Feyman method summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it a bit of bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman method is principally the concept that you’ve got discovered one thing when you’ve got the flexibility to obviously and concisely clarify it to a baby. And fortuitously, I’ve a number of kids to truly follow this and clarify to day by day. However that is one thing I do each time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED speak or be taught a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing these items to an precise written type, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and bear in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve discovered, it’s in a single place, and Notion offers me an amazing place to trace all of those. After which I may also, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my staff or no matter it could be. In order that’s a tip I really like to offer mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And for those who’re not a giant fan of writing, you need to use one other app known as Otter in your cellphone to talk into your cellphone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you may put it in Notion. In order that’s sort of like the way you stated you employ it as a journal. That’s form of the best way I form of each day journal with it. And then you definitely talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like objectives, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some suggestions of higher ways in which I will be utilizing this to trace objectives. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which preserve observe of objectives inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of objectives, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I at all times discovered SMART objectives to be a bit of too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are inclined to do the alternative. So SMART purpose by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply wished to insurgent towards it. However there’s one thing concerning the OKR methodology the place whenever you make the goals, the form of inspirational/aspirational issues that you simply’re making an attempt to do in your enterprise or your life, the influence that you simply’re making an attempt to have, the main target, and also you set these up first, out of the blue having key outcomes, that are primarily SMART objectives, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m in a position to, , harness that energy. And so the best way my system is configured is I’ve goals and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am a giant fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which for those who haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely suggest it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen dad and mom use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning tips on how to really end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the best way I exploit the momentum planning methodology in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for tasks, which I consider as sort of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a extremely micro stage. I must, , replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must handle. After which, to make it much more sturdy, I’ve yet one more desk that I exploit, which I name areas, which is supposed to be form of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any form of element to my life that I wanna have an intentional follow round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s form of like having a purpose, nevertheless it takes off, like I stated, that point strain, in order that it’s simply, , periodically, I am going in and I take a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can sort of… , a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, nevertheless it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly evaluation. They seem on… A few of them are on the each day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I exploit after the each day web page on a everyday foundation. They usually’re known as the At this time Web page and The This Week Web page. And people principally permit me to have, like I stated, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m making an attempt to create.

Katie: I really like that. I do know, like… I believe, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as nicely. I’ll put a few of my favourite assets associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I believe it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s usually utilized in enterprise, however I believe it’s really very related to oldsters as nicely, so far as planning long-term issues with our children, actually for homeschooling dad and mom and having objectives associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I stated, in my private life for private improvement issues or new abilities I’m making an attempt to be taught and conserving observe of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I exploit Notion, basically, are for conserving observe of issues like Christmas reward concepts or reward concepts, basically, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have an inclination to say issues all year long. After which somewhat than having to think about them, simply presently of the yr, additionally issues like home updates and tasks issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can also be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain observe of these items or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, , I’m at all times very… I work with loads of learners and loads of proper mind form of inventive thoughts map sort individuals. And so I’ve a delicate spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system just isn’t at all times attractive to all people. However on the identical time, it’s only a method of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you’ve got, and placing the data that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children preserve observe of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after faculty occasions or one which I did not too long ago that I sort of amused myself with is I arrange a complete desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s principally a gamified model of conserving observe of all of the issues that I don’t must do day by day however I must do a couple of occasions per week. And principally the best way the desk works is I’ve a few formulation inbuilt in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as per week, I get a thumbs up and job. But when I vacuum twice per week, then it offers me a bonus. And of this previous gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it really encourages me to do these items that I’d in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it could possibly wait till tomorrow.” After which you know the way that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t at all times really feel like, oh, that is, like, yet one more factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I really wish to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with every other app. So, when it comes to, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I exploit or that I did at Notion this yr that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we have been in search of in a home and, like, our excellent, , options and what have been the prerequisites, individuals saved observe of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, sort of like doing a professional con record on them. After which when it bought time for the transfer, I did a complete stock. So I numbered all of the bins. After which after I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I making an attempt to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be in a position to after we moved, and it’s like, okay, we’d like no matter, the espresso grinder. I might really search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I assumed I used to be over-engineering it and sort of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was nicely definitely worth the effort I put in to have the ability to observe down, , no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s form of, like, a sensible method that you may use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about a bit of bit, however I wanna be sure that we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and cellphone interfaces after which, in fact, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an example, like a number of the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up after I’m on the retailer. I can work on these items after I’m at an appointment with the children or ready on the children in an exercise as a result of my cellphone is just about at all times with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that method however then it’s straightforward additionally to work on a desktop whenever you’re organising a few of these larger tasks and greater issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re in all probability an influence consumer of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, , I nonetheless preserve a paper journal after I’m on the cellphone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m exhibiting someone else tips on how to use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to put in writing some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I sort of undergo that record and make it possible for all the pieces’s in Notion the best way I would like it to be and that, , I can preserve observe of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a extremely fluid factor when it comes to, , some days I’m in there, like, actually virtually all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion advisor in order that is sensible. However even on days after I’m engaged on different issues or serving to someone with an internet site or different enterprise programs, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I might say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I really like that you simply talked about the net, desktop, cellphone, and it really works on iPad rather well. In actual fact, they’ve made loads of enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like virtually so many enhancements that I sort of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these totally different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… , the most recent replace for iOS really has this factor known as widgets, which if individuals haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They principally put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your cellphone display. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it could possibly take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are each day, fast seize, and my right this moment web page plus a couple of others. And I even have that widget proper on my cellphone in order that, , if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is sensible actually simply and on the fly. So there’s a number of, like, , you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you’ve got a number of choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about at first, it is a troublesome factor to elucidate completely, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as nicely. However I do know that is one thing that you simply do assist individuals with and you’ve got an internet site associated to. So, for individuals who wish to perceive extra and who wish to begin integrating this, I’ll make it possible for hyperlink is within the present notes however sort of stroll us by means of the way you assist individuals with that and the assets you’ve got.

Sandra: Yeah, so for several types of shoppers are totally different. I actually would like to have a gaggle of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is about up a bit of discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s desirous about that sort of factor, they’ll let me know after which we are able to determine it out within the new yr. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, you will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So the easiest way to seek out me is on sandrahalling com. And for those who put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that can have some fascinating data that’s, like, geared in direction of serving to households. And I really would like to have a workshop subsequent yr, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in a bit of factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they’ll join and let me know. Essential methods I work with individuals proper now could be by means of enterprise teaching and programs assist. And so, typically individuals are available in they usually need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which typically what individuals want is extra of, like, a sort of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months method to dig into the totally different programs they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a shopper join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their cellphone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is form of like one piece of the puzzle for me, nevertheless it spine of the programs I arrange. So, once more, you will discover me on the net at sandrahalling.com or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Excellent. I’ll be sure that these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or plenty of books which have had a dramatic influence in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that one of the impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Executed,” which is form of a traditional within the productiveness house. So, I discovered it most dear or most impactful within the sense that it taught me tips on how to group, and categorize, and course of data in a method that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out after I was fairly younger in my profession, I believe I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we’ve now, which is, , database advisor now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is sort of an amazing software now. I believe “Getting Issues Executed” is form of a traditional, but in addition it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some components to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I believe “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire totally different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot data comes at us and simply form of managing the combo there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private stage have been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a special perspective on issues. And I like mixing these items. So it’s each my life holistically, offers me a need to wanna arrange it extra. In order that’s sort of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll be sure that these are linked within the present notes as nicely. I’m so glad I bought to share extra about Notion right this moment as a result of like I stated, it’s a software that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I could possibly be. And I’m excited to have discovered extra from you right this moment. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with most of the individuals listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks on your time right this moment and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was loads of enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as at all times for listening, for sharing your most dear useful resource, your time with each of us right this moment. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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